So the same folks who want to require a birth certificate to register to vote also want to remove the birth certificate requirement to apply for or renew a handgun carry permit (see HB 2718 by Rep. Stacey Campfield, R-Knoxville).
Someone’s priorities are way screwed up not to mention unpatriotic and dangerous.
And if their argument is that by requiring a birth certificate we make it more difficult to exercise a basic Constitutional right, then why doesn’t that logic apply to all Constitutional rights?
The bill is currently drafted for either but my intent is to only cover renewal. I will be offering an amendment for that when I run the bill. That happens when legislation is drafted near the bill cut off deadline and the caption of law needs to be opened. Some times it is drafted wider then intended and drawn down later.
I am making no valuations on equability or inequitably between the initial voter requirements and the requirements for gun permit owners renewal. That is what was done by the authors of this blog post. I just pointed out the differences/ similarities and said a b.c. should not be required for CCP renewal.
Rep. Campfield, I have enormous respect for your appearance here.
Just so I understand correctly, are you saying there should be no birth certificate requirement for the original application for a gun permit, or just not for a renewal? Are you saying the the requirements to vote and the requirements for a gun permit should be equitable?
Thanks.
Gun owners are required to carry photo proof of licence when they carry. Not currently so with voting. A renewal is different then an original application. A person is not applying when they go to vote they already have been approved. Same should be true with a gun permit renewal.
I was mentioned by name so you were the one who made it individual specific.
Having photo ID to verify you are who you claim to be before you vote is different then having an original birth certificate to renew an existing gun permit.
Also you may want to read the constitution and bill of rights again (For the first time?). The right to vote is not protected as the second amendment is.
Rep. Campfield, I didn’t mean to imply you specifically. I was using the royal “same folks” to mean the TNGOP. But where do you stand on voter registration/photo ID to vote?
Well, can you clarify what’s being said?
Can someone show me where I said people should have to bring in an original birth certificate to vote?
I had about three different snarky posts all typed in, but I can’t bring myself to joke about this. It is too stupid.
But for many, proof of citizenship can only mean a birth certificate. And there are many people who either don’t have them or can’t afford to go through the process of getting a replacement. Remember, it’s not just the replacement fee, it’s taking time off from work or away from familial obligations to jump through the paperwork hoops.
There are laws that make it a crime to vote if you are not eligible and they appear to be working quite well already.
And yes, Dean, that is exactly what I was saying.
As for allowing non-citizens to carry guns, I don’t see the problem with it either except that I know if anything untoward were to be perpetrated by a gun-toting non-citizen, Phil Valentine and his ilk would be the first one making a stink about it.
I’m not sure I follow the birth cert for voting. Proof of citizenship, sure. But we have citizens who where not born here. Proof of citizenship would be a more useful requirement.
On the other hand, I don’t believe being a citizen should matter to the carrying of a firearm. Non-citizens are allowed to buy firearms. Why should we not allow them to carry said firearm for self defense? Proof of legal residence should be all that’s required.
I’d bet that my priorities are reversed from the lefties though.
I’m not sure why a birth certificate would be required either place. One can be a citizen without being born in this country; one should be able to defend himself or herself simply by adhering to existing gun laws.
I don’t presume to speak for Mary, but I think her valid concern is that there shouldn’t be any cherry-picking of basic constitutional rights. Why should be easier to own a gun — which makes it easier to take a life — than it should be to vote? I’m not saying it should necessarily be easier to vote, either.
I’m wary of too many gun laws, but I’m also wary of placing obstacles before voters.
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Perhaps the author of this article should read the US Constitution. Specifically Article 2, Section 1 which specifies qualifications necessary to be President, and the Second Amendment, which specifies not “citizens” but “the people”.
maybe because all humans have a right to self defense,but only citizens can vote in their own country?
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