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	<title>Comments on: What Pisses Me Off About the Stupak Amendment (Hint: It&#8217;s Not Jim Cooper&#8217;s Vote)</title>
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	<description>with Mary Mancini &#38; Freddie O&#039;Connell</description>
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		<title>By: Earlybird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earlybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they are going to call us baby killers, we should be calling them doctor killers.  Is that not fair?  And it is not pro life;  it is pro-birth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are going to call us baby killers, we should be calling them doctor killers.  Is that not fair?  And it is not pro life;  it is pro-birth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cooper health care vote keeps him on outs with liberal bloggers &#171; In Session: Tennessee Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Cooper health care vote keeps him on outs with liberal bloggers &#171; In Session: Tennessee Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In an interviews on Hardball and with the Washington Post and in written statements, like this one posted on Liberadio&#8217;s blog, he appears to say that his goal was simply to support a compromise necessary to get health care [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In an interviews on Hardball and with the Washington Post and in written statements, like this one posted on Liberadio&#8217;s blog, he appears to say that his goal was simply to support a compromise necessary to get health care [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, Mr. Undecided Voter, you&#039;ve got two options: If you want to reduce the number of abortions, join us. If you want to pursue the unattainable goal of eliminating them, go with those other guys who don&#039;t seem to know what the hell they&#039;re doing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, Mr. Undecided Voter, you&#8217;ve got two options: If you want to reduce the number of abortions, join us. If you want to pursue the unattainable goal of eliminating them, go with those other guys who don&#8217;t seem to know what the hell they&#8217;re doing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/11/11/what-pisses-me-off-about-the-stupak-amendment-hint-its-not-jim-coopers-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-175296</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole abortion issue pisses me off, actually. Progressives should be much more active is pushing their view, something like this:

&quot;Look, Mr. Undecided Voter. There are two camps. Our goal is to make abortion safe, legal and as rare as possible. We do this by legalizing it and tackling the root causes: lack of child-care options and lack of sensible sex education, to name a few. That&#039;s our camp. We feel like we&#039;ve got a good, clear mission.

&quot;The other camp? I&#039;m not sure. They want to outlaw it â€”Â I think. But they don&#039;t want to criminalize it, at least not to where they throw the mothers in jail. Even though they say it&#039;s murder. Then again, some of them are OK with murdering providers. ... Oh, and after they outlaw it, they consider their work to be done, even though it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole abortion issue pisses me off, actually. Progressives should be much more active is pushing their view, something like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Look, Mr. Undecided Voter. There are two camps. Our goal is to make abortion safe, legal and as rare as possible. We do this by legalizing it and tackling the root causes: lack of child-care options and lack of sensible sex education, to name a few. That&#8217;s our camp. We feel like we&#8217;ve got a good, clear mission.</p>
<p>&#8220;The other camp? I&#8217;m not sure. They want to outlaw it â€”Â I think. But they don&#8217;t want to criminalize it, at least not to where they throw the mothers in jail. Even though they say it&#8217;s murder. Then again, some of them are OK with murdering providers. &#8230; Oh, and after they outlaw it, they consider their work to be done, even though it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooper Explains His Vote For The Stupak Amendment : Post Politics: Political News and Views in Tennessee</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/11/11/what-pisses-me-off-about-the-stupak-amendment-hint-its-not-jim-coopers-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-175295</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooper Explains His Vote For The Stupak Amendment : Post Politics: Political News and Views in Tennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#187;&#160;What Pisses Me Off About the Stupak Amendment (Hint: Itâ€™s Not Jim Cooperâ€™s Vote)Posted 3 hours [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &raquo;&nbsp;What Pisses Me Off About the Stupak Amendment (Hint: Itâ€™s Not Jim Cooperâ€™s Vote)Posted 3 hours [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scarce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more reasons to be suspicious of Jim Cooper&#039;s vote.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The forty members who stood strong with me through this whole deal, I think at least 15 will not vote for the bill no matter what, even if Stupak is adopted,&quot; he said. &quot;Then there might still have been ten to 15 who would vote for it even if we didn&#039;t get our amendment.&quot;

So enough to put it over the top?

&quot;It should be,&quot; he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Those are Bart Stupak&#039;s own words. He said the bill would pass even if the amendment failed. Cooper is saying the opposite.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/house-health-care-vote-br_n_349468.html?page=3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more reasons to be suspicious of Jim Cooper&#8217;s vote.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The forty members who stood strong with me through this whole deal, I think at least 15 will not vote for the bill no matter what, even if Stupak is adopted,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Then there might still have been ten to 15 who would vote for it even if we didn&#8217;t get our amendment.&#8221;</p>
<p>So enough to put it over the top?</p>
<p>&#8220;It should be,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Those are Bart Stupak&#8217;s own words. He said the bill would pass even if the amendment failed. Cooper is saying the opposite.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/house-health-care-vote-br_n_349468.html?page=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/house-health-care-vote-br_n_349468.html?page=3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary Mancini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Mancini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goldie, I&#039;m not writing this to make excuses for Jim Cooper&#039;s vote. I&#039;m writing this because I want to 1) thank Cooper for voting for health insurance reform and 2) make sure I direct my anger at who is actually responsible for getting us to the point where our electeds had to make this reprehensible choice.

&quot;Progressives/Democrats/Liberals&quot; roll their eyes at being corrected for using the term &quot;pro-life&quot; in the exact way in which those who - as WhitesCreek writes - force &quot;meanspirited intrusions into women&#039;s health issues&quot; want them to. And they have been doing it for years - even after being made aware of the damage it does to our community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldie, I&#8217;m not writing this to make excuses for Jim Cooper&#8217;s vote. I&#8217;m writing this because I want to 1) thank Cooper for voting for health insurance reform and 2) make sure I direct my anger at who is actually responsible for getting us to the point where our electeds had to make this reprehensible choice.</p>
<p>&#8220;Progressives/Democrats/Liberals&#8221; roll their eyes at being corrected for using the term &#8220;pro-life&#8221; in the exact way in which those who &#8211; as WhitesCreek writes &#8211; force &#8220;meanspirited intrusions into women&#8217;s health issues&#8221; want them to. And they have been doing it for years &#8211; even after being made aware of the damage it does to our community.</p>
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		<title>By: WhitesCreek</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhitesCreek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I learn about the Stupak amendment the angrier I am. Why would any woman, regardless of her views on the abortion issue, not be outraged at this meanspirited intrusion into women&#039;s health issues? How can you justify preventing women from spending their own money on their own health? Will women stand for institutionalized rape?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I learn about the Stupak amendment the angrier I am. Why would any woman, regardless of her views on the abortion issue, not be outraged at this meanspirited intrusion into women&#8217;s health issues? How can you justify preventing women from spending their own money on their own health? Will women stand for institutionalized rape?</p>
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		<title>By: GoldnI</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoldnI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, I certainly agree with you that this is the result of ceding the moral high ground, but I don&#039;t think Cooper answered anything at all.  He still never actually owns up to voting for it, but treats it as some compromise he wasn&#039;t involved in.  And if he knew that a) the amendment did not preserve the status quo and b) that it would pass by a large margin, then he needs to explain why none of that mattered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, I certainly agree with you that this is the result of ceding the moral high ground, but I don&#8217;t think Cooper answered anything at all.  He still never actually owns up to voting for it, but treats it as some compromise he wasn&#8217;t involved in.  And if he knew that a) the amendment did not preserve the status quo and b) that it would pass by a large margin, then he needs to explain why none of that mattered.</p>
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