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	<title>Comments on: District 62 Recount</title>
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	<description>with Mary Mancini &#38; Freddie O&#039;Connell</description>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172874</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, which election?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, which election?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172862</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freddie, can you give me a reference of when the voting system crashed during the election..

I never remember hearing about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie, can you give me a reference of when the voting system crashed during the election..</p>
<p>I never remember hearing about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172859</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, they have crashed, repeatedly. We&#039;ve documented those episodes on the blog and on the show. They were crashing back in 2002 when I was volunteering at a polling location. This isn&#039;t a new phenomenon.

And I&#039;m in agreement with eldano that optical scan machines are not the ideal. But they&#039;re far better than the proprietary black boxes we have now because it is &lt;em&gt;possible&lt;/em&gt; to verify voter intent after the ballot is cast.

I&#039;m not typically one to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and what we have now is far from good. And it wasn&#039;t good when Democrats oversaw it. You&#039;ll notice that Mary&#039;s commentary on this issue was critical of the status quo long before Tre Hargett ever appeared on the scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, they have crashed, repeatedly. We&#8217;ve documented those episodes on the blog and on the show. They were crashing back in 2002 when I was volunteering at a polling location. This isn&#8217;t a new phenomenon.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m in agreement with eldano that optical scan machines are not the ideal. But they&#8217;re far better than the proprietary black boxes we have now because it is <em>possible</em> to verify voter intent after the ballot is cast.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not typically one to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and what we have now is far from good. And it wasn&#8217;t good when Democrats oversaw it. You&#8217;ll notice that Mary&#8217;s commentary on this issue was critical of the status quo long before Tre Hargett ever appeared on the scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172857</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freddie, this isn&#039;t a program that is having information added to it from say, the internet.  It is a voting program on a machine dedicated to such.  The idea that it will crash on a regular basis is absurd.  It hasn&#039;t crashed yet.. has it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie, this isn&#8217;t a program that is having information added to it from say, the internet.  It is a voting program on a machine dedicated to such.  The idea that it will crash on a regular basis is absurd.  It hasn&#8217;t crashed yet.. has it?</p>
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		<title>By: eldano</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172854</link>
		<dc:creator>eldano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m completely in agreement that the issue is transparency.  Always have been.  I just don&#039;t think that optical scan ballots are the best way to go.  Unfortunately, my understanding is that the computerized machines that we have in TN aren&#039;t able to be upgraded to print receipts.  That&#039;s the shame, because I think *that* is the best way to go.

And the fact that we disagree on parts but can agree on parts is one of my favorite parts about Liberadio.  I think that you guys are great at explaining WHY you think the things you do, and many times it enlightens me (and for the record, I agree with a majority of your opinions voiced on air or in the blog).  I&#039;m just drawing on my experience to point out that your heart is in the right place, but by focusing on recounts you are sub-optimizing the process.

One point that you have brought up in the past that does concern me is the rate at which people can use the electronic voting machines and the possible effect of vote suppression that can have.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m completely in agreement that the issue is transparency.  Always have been.  I just don&#8217;t think that optical scan ballots are the best way to go.  Unfortunately, my understanding is that the computerized machines that we have in TN aren&#8217;t able to be upgraded to print receipts.  That&#8217;s the shame, because I think *that* is the best way to go.</p>
<p>And the fact that we disagree on parts but can agree on parts is one of my favorite parts about Liberadio.  I think that you guys are great at explaining WHY you think the things you do, and many times it enlightens me (and for the record, I agree with a majority of your opinions voiced on air or in the blog).  I&#8217;m just drawing on my experience to point out that your heart is in the right place, but by focusing on recounts you are sub-optimizing the process.</p>
<p>One point that you have brought up in the past that does concern me is the rate at which people can use the electronic voting machines and the possible effect of vote suppression that can have.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172853</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mary, computers crash due to their operators.. not due to themselves.&quot;

Ryan clearly hasn&#039;t spent a lot of time in the computer industry. It&#039;d be hard to make a more ignorant statement about computer technology and software. An operating system with no users can, just by having bugs, crash.

The worst part about our equipment and the rules governing it is that there is no ability for independent security auditing organizations to review the software. Literally no one other than the manufacturer knows what&#039;s happening in the black boxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mary, computers crash due to their operators.. not due to themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ryan clearly hasn&#8217;t spent a lot of time in the computer industry. It&#8217;d be hard to make a more ignorant statement about computer technology and software. An operating system with no users can, just by having bugs, crash.</p>
<p>The worst part about our equipment and the rules governing it is that there is no ability for independent security auditing organizations to review the software. Literally no one other than the manufacturer knows what&#8217;s happening in the black boxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Mancini</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172850</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Mancini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, the other significant parts of the TN Voter Confidence Act is 1) the paper ballot becomes the ballot of record in the case of recount and 2) mandatory audits of a required number of precincts (spot-checks of the system).

It also boggles my mind that Stackiii and Ryan haven&#039;t addressed the fact that we cannot have a meaningful recount in the case of a close election. I would think that would be a universal positive for all political parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, the other significant parts of the TN Voter Confidence Act is 1) the paper ballot becomes the ballot of record in the case of recount and 2) mandatory audits of a required number of precincts (spot-checks of the system).</p>
<p>It also boggles my mind that Stackiii and Ryan haven&#8217;t addressed the fact that we cannot have a meaningful recount in the case of a close election. I would think that would be a universal positive for all political parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Mancini</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172849</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Mancini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just boggles my mind that Stackiii and Ryan won&#039;t address the fact that our votes in the state of Tennessee are counted in secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just boggles my mind that Stackiii and Ryan won&#8217;t address the fact that our votes in the state of Tennessee are counted in secret.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Mancini</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172848</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Mancini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve talking about this since 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve talking about this since 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Mancini</title>
		<link>http://www.liberadio.com/2009/10/14/district-62-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-172847</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Mancini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, The issue is transparency. We would know because we can watch the counting process. With the machines we use now, we can&#039;t watch the counting process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, The issue is transparency. We would know because we can watch the counting process. With the machines we use now, we can&#8217;t watch the counting process.</p>
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