Comments on: Identity Theft http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/ with Mary Mancini and Freddie O'Connell Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:57:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: jojoe http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75372 jojoe Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:19:18 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75372 Politics is the ultimate game, unfortunately. And it really is hardball and for keeps. Politics is the ultimate game, unfortunately. And it really is hardball and for keeps.

]]> By: Freddie http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75364 Freddie Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:52:39 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75364 I'm just incensed by the type of campaign the Clintons (Bill very intentionally included, here) are running, especially against a candidate like Obama. I have to admit: it brings out the worst in me. Ordinarily, in conversations about this race, I'm much more interested in highlighting what it is about Obama that I like. But when he gets kneecapped by the Clintons portraying him in blackface, it's infuriating. I’m just incensed by the type of campaign the Clintons (Bill very intentionally included, here) are running, especially against a candidate like Obama. I have to admit: it brings out the worst in me. Ordinarily, in conversations about this race, I’m much more interested in highlighting what it is about Obama that I like. But when he gets kneecapped by the Clintons portraying him in blackface, it’s infuriating.

]]> By: jojoe http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75363 jojoe Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:56:53 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75363 This is the important election and very sincere, experienced people feel passionately about their candidates. It's important to let people know why they should vote for your candidate rather than disparage others. After all, if we're committed to real change on the national political front, we will have to support enthusiastically whoever is elected the "blue dot" candidate. None are perfect and all will make unfortunate remarks because I assume we will elect a human and not a god. This is the important election and very sincere, experienced people feel passionately about their candidates. It’s important to let people know why they should vote for your candidate rather than disparage others. After all, if we’re committed to real change on the national political front, we will have to support enthusiastically whoever is elected the “blue dot” candidate. None are perfect and all will make unfortunate remarks because I assume we will elect a human and not a god.

]]> By: S-townMike http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75109 S-townMike Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:37:15 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75109 But while you're singing the praises of the idea of the death of Clintonism, keep in mind that Obama has been doing a bit of triangulation himself, what with his recent ode to Ronald Reagan. Seriously, how far are all-in Obama supporters willing to go with this whole idea of reaching across the aisle to bring Republicans on board? It is one thing to appeal to common issues and policy interests (for instance environmental initiatives). It's quite another to genuflect to a conservative icon. But while you’re singing the praises of the idea of the death of Clintonism, keep in mind that Obama has been doing a bit of triangulation himself, what with his recent ode to Ronald Reagan. Seriously, how far are all-in Obama supporters willing to go with this whole idea of reaching across the aisle to bring Republicans on board? It is one thing to appeal to common issues and policy interests (for instance environmental initiatives). It’s quite another to genuflect to a conservative icon.

]]> By: Freddie http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75074 Freddie Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:49:14 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75074 I think the offense you took at my opening line might've prevented you from seeing the bigger picture: Hillary's idea of how to present her qualifications to the American people involves a mean-spirited invocation of both gender and race that ought to be offensive to women, blacks, and everyone else. Clintonism is done, and I want to help stick a fork in it. I think the offense you took at my opening line might’ve prevented you from seeing the bigger picture: Hillary’s idea of how to present her qualifications to the American people involves a mean-spirited invocation of both gender and race that ought to be offensive to women, blacks, and everyone else. Clintonism is done, and I want to help stick a fork in it.

]]> By: Mary http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75069 Mary Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:33:05 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-75069 I think we have the same definition of experience and qualifications for the presidency. I'm simply willing to admit she has both the experience and the qualifications - even though she's not my candidate of choice - and you aren't. She was a politically active, smart and capable woman before she married and now she's even more so. I was trying to put this in perspective in my head last night and all I could think of was that if Laura, Barbara, Nancy or Rosalynn ran for the Senate after their husbands' presidency was over, I'm not sure they would have won seats. I don't know....And it's more than HC being a political animal and those other women not being that way. She's a wonky leader. I think we have the same definition of experience and qualifications for the presidency. I’m simply willing to admit she has both the experience and the qualifications - even though she’s not my candidate of choice - and you aren’t. She was a politically active, smart and capable woman before she married and now she’s even more so.

I was trying to put this in perspective in my head last night and all I could think of was that if Laura, Barbara, Nancy or Rosalynn ran for the Senate after their husbands’ presidency was over, I’m not sure they would have won seats. I don’t know….And it’s more than HC being a political animal and those other women not being that way. She’s a wonky leader.

]]> By: Freddie http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-74908 Freddie Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:34:13 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-74908 "Righteously for many years"? She's served one full term. She was elected in 2000. And if you don't think that her state of choice and office of choice were 1) carefully planned for the presidency, and 2) based almost entirely on name recognition supplied by a marriage certificate, then we have very different definitions of experience and qualifications for the presidency. I think she has the same right as anyone to run, but based on their respective experience, I think she and Obama have approximately equivalent qualifications. And I think Obama's personal story actually better qualifies him for the job. “Righteously for many years”? She’s served one full term. She was elected in 2000. And if you don’t think that her state of choice and office of choice were 1) carefully planned for the presidency, and 2) based almost entirely on name recognition supplied by a marriage certificate, then we have very different definitions of experience and qualifications for the presidency.

I think she has the same right as anyone to run, but based on their respective experience, I think she and Obama have approximately equivalent qualifications. And I think Obama’s personal story actually better qualifies him for the job.

]]> By: Mary http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-74897 Mary Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:24:28 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-74897 "After realizing that the biggest fraud of an entitlement program – marrying her way to the presidency – was in jeopardy, Hillary Clinton has demonstrated just how poisonous Clintonism will be if we allow it to return for a sequel." Now you know I'm no HC fan, but this statement is offensive. Perhaps you might ask New Yorkers, whom she has served righteously for many years - if they think she's marrying her way into the presidency. Do you honestly believe that she doesn't have the qualifications to be president? You may not like her tactics or her policies or the way she may govern, but she is as qualified to run this country as any other candidate. “After realizing that the biggest fraud of an entitlement program – marrying her way to the presidency – was in jeopardy, Hillary Clinton has demonstrated just how poisonous Clintonism will be if we allow it to return for a sequel.”

Now you know I’m no HC fan, but this statement is offensive. Perhaps you might ask New Yorkers, whom she has served righteously for many years - if they think she’s marrying her way into the presidency. Do you honestly believe that she doesn’t have the qualifications to be president? You may not like her tactics or her policies or the way she may govern, but she is as qualified to run this country as any other candidate.

]]> By: Mark Mays http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-74723 Mark Mays Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:57:43 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-74723 No. If the Clintons continue this tactic past South Carolina, it doesn't lose <i>some</i> of the Black vote. They will eventually martyr Obama and lose most of their Black support (rank and file), and there could even be a reverse Bradley effect for those remaining supporters. Once it appears that the Clinton team is actually attacking Obama <i>because</i> of his race or on issues pertaining to race, it can only end badly for them. I don't think they will keep this up past SC, or Feb 5th at the most. No. If the Clintons continue this tactic past South Carolina, it doesn’t lose some of the Black vote. They will eventually martyr Obama and lose most of their Black support (rank and file), and there could even be a reverse Bradley effect for those remaining supporters. Once it appears that the Clinton team is actually attacking Obama because of his race or on issues pertaining to race, it can only end badly for them.

I don’t think they will keep this up past SC, or Feb 5th at the most.

]]> By: Freddie http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-74711 Freddie Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:25:10 +0000 http://www.liberadio.com/2008/01/15/identity-theft/#comment-74711 I agree that Obama's too-cool-for-school response to Hillary's likability was a serious misstep for his campaign. Just like I think his campaign's and his surrogates' fanning the flames of race-baiting is going to hurt him in the long run. I'm just squarely in the camp that thinks another dose of Clintonism is exactly what the Democrats and the country don't need. I agree that Obama’s too-cool-for-school response to Hillary’s likability was a serious misstep for his campaign.

Just like I think his campaign’s and his surrogates’ fanning the flames of race-baiting is going to hurt him in the long run.

I’m just squarely in the camp that thinks another dose of Clintonism is exactly what the Democrats and the country don’t need.

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